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What is a Forward Pass?

The law(12) does say exactly what you've put, but everyone above me seems to agree- its horrible wording, and we swear the intent of the law is about relative motion of the hands doing the passing.
I totally agree it would be far easier for everyone to be able to judge using the lines on the field...

But it doesn't work that way, you can't pass like that without changing the look of the game and a rugby pass. At least when the players are running (go out and try passing it not forward whilst running).

The backwards running thing is a fun point. In reality I think referees 90% of the time follow the intent of the game, if not the law, which is that we dont want to see a player passing the ball to someone in front of him, and we dont want to see his hands direct it forward like a knock-on. (10% of the time, when a tackle or the opposition 22 line makes a pass look forward, they change their ruling i think)

3 Years, 2 Weeks ago

Richie McCaw knee on Morgan Parra, Donald kick, Rougerie eye-gouge, and more

Wow, their video is pretty subtle for sure, if I wanted to see it miss then I would probably believe it too. I figure, if we cant be certain which video is doctored, then logic tells me the French team (standing under and very close to the posts) would never have let that penalty go un-protested if they thought it had missed.

3 Years, 3 Weeks ago

Richie McCaw knee on Morgan Parra, Donald kick, Rougerie eye-gouge, and more

This is a very poor attempt at impersonating an (ex) All Blacks supporter.

Real All blacks supporters are either:
- clueless and arrogant, unlikely to ever change their opinion
- or well aware of the claims of favoritism that (mostly NH) media and fans make, and can see why those claims exist and tend to wish it wasn't such a big distraction. But still recognize some really awesome players in the nz side, who were lucky or skilled enough to play right up to the referee's limit. The only embarrassing transgressions in the final were french, and perhaps Craig Joubert's.

3 Years, 3 Weeks ago

What is a Forward Pass?

Oh I love talking about the forward pass rule...

I think that only Mezza and Nemo34 have made incorrect statements above.


But I also think that the IRB rule is written too concisely, so that it is not clear enough. only when you think about the motion of the player's hands can you understand.

People who don't get it, after seeing the video, need to go out and play some rugby - well, do some passing drills.
Jog up the field, and pass it to your mate. Then run up the field at full pace and pass it to your mate. Try to observe that relative the ground, the ball is going to travel forward.
Its really bloody hard to make the ball travel backwards when running at full pace, which is why the rule doesn't require it.


The only problem is when someone is tackled just after passing the ball, then it looks soo forward. Commentator replay systems should have a feature that allows you to imagine the player motion as if they ran on unimpeded - that would make it pretty clear to spectators I think. (once they started to believe the interpretation of the law)

3 Years, 3 Weeks ago

Richie McCaw knee on Morgan Parra, Donald kick, Rougerie eye-gouge, and more

NZ had a big advantage having just come from another game refereed by Craig Joubert, so Richie Mccaw had a big head start already.

But any complaints against Richie Mccaw need to really be balanced against comparisons with other Number 7's - If a #7 isn't involved in every second ruck then they are not doing very well. They should be pushing as far as the referee allows them - or do northern hemisphere #7's really not do that?

It certainly means #7 is a key recipient of 'payback' from the opposition in rucks and mauls. To get caught going for the face of the opposition #7 is not a good look.


Meanwhile Media on all 3 sides (NZ, FRA, Neutral) are full of exaggerated views, so i am delighted to see clear facts here on rugbydump.com, and see heaps of constructive non-NZ views on the game.
My votes on some of the remaining issues are:

Some NZ media may be idiots, but others certainly thanked france for showing what its like to want the world cup so bad, and many agree that Dusatoir played amazingly.

Quade cooper earlier showed himself to be a bit of a dick, but I'm well bored of the issue now and would prefer to see him become a star, if he can. Stink if he got booed after his injury.

I hope that the general world opinion of the all blacks and NZ fans hasn't sunk further following the world cup - it was a great RWC with so many teams making a strong showing. Real NZ fans are now just relieved to be back to a level footing without media (both sides) continually claiming the world cup is all that matters to NZ. I guess France is next to feel hard done by in the world cup?

We just wanna see good rugby from good teams. And after, good fan response, harmony etc (no soccer riots here please).

3 Years, 3 Weeks ago

Richie McCaw knee on Morgan Parra, Donald kick, Rougerie eye-gouge, and more

I too think your comments were well put.

Referees just sometimes aren't looking for the things you as a spectator are looking for I believe. They probably shut their eyes, like Wayne Barnes not awarding NZ a penalty after huge pressure in the French 22 four years ago, even though I was willing and searching for it. The same happened in the final I guess.

3 Years, 3 Weeks ago

 
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