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Georgia: Are rugby's Tier 1.5 nation ready for another step up?

Undermining what success?

Quick, name three Italian clubs that have been around for more than 20 years.

1 Week, 6 Days ago

Georgia: Are rugby's Tier 1.5 nation ready for another step up?

@ DrG
Great pts!

1. Italy is NOT a home nation. They never should have been admitted into the 5N. The reason they should be relegated is their record on the field of play.

2. I see what you mean about "yo yo". The possible tragedy with promotion/relegation would be Scotland going down and the game losing what popularity it has left. But would the trade be worth it if the game explodes in Spain or Russia? The 6N is the de facto NH/European championship. The top countries should compete.

3. The reason that Georgia has not beaten any Tier 1 teams is because they don't have the opportunity. If the the Georgians got to play 2 6N teams a year regularly in any fashion I'd be happy.

4. Although the Pacific Islands have a legitimate claim to some kind of regular play they have such small populations and lack of infrastructure nobody wants to play them. Hotels, stadiums, tv's, and even fans are not plentiful. The entire combined population of Samoa, Tonga, and Fiji is less than the city of Glasgow. Unfortunately to play these nations is to lose money.

5. I'm not Georgian at all but we imported three of these guys at my club. They're a revelation, and all with less than 5 years of experience. Rugby is so stale with really only a handful of viable teams. When we have the opportunity to really grow the game we must. These guys are naturally born for our sport, much like Polynesians.

1 Week, 6 Days ago

Georgia: Are rugby's Tier 1.5 nation ready for another step up?

If by "yo-yo competition" you mean the best playing the best in the region then, yes that is the very point. I think that the 6N wooden spoon should be relegated and the European Nations Cup Champ should ascend.

Tradition in the 5N lost it's argument once they let the Italians in. There is no grand tradition of Italian rugby.

Letting the Argies into the Tri-Nations was the right move for similar reasons. Argentina has beaten Australia and (due to their inclusion) South Africa too.

The reason that Georgia is the focus (Romania was for a period too in the 80's) is because they have made some serious waves and produced outstanding players with very little money, infrastructure, or regular competition. Again, look at the results from the Pacific Tour. Georgia has won the 6N B or come in second every year for the past 10 years. They're knocking on the door. What do they have to do to be let in?

Levan below is 100% correct. Next time England or Ireland really want a warm up before they leave Europe come to Tblisi. See what happens.

1 Week, 6 Days ago

Georgia: Are rugby's Tier 1.5 nation ready for another step up?

Good points! I'd like to see Scotland or Italy tour the South Pacific undefeated.

What I'd really like is to see the Georgians get some warm up games with 6N sides before they tour. They might raise some eyebrows.

2 Weeks, 5 Hours ago

Georgia: Are rugby's Tier 1.5 nation ready for another step up?

The French against Italian fascists? Right.

Italy has no business being in the 6N. Italy is a very recent and under-performing member of the 6 Nations. They joined an 106 year old tournament just 16 years ago and have never distinguished themselves. In 16 years Italy has taken the wooden spoon 11 times and never finished higher than 4th out of 6.

Italy does not have a history of strong rugby clubs or attendance at matches. Italy has suited up about 5 world class players ever and to my knowledge they all learned their rugby in Argentina.

If you want to talk the Euro vs the Lari, the nightlife culture of Rome vs Tblisi, or "brands" then that is one thing. If money and branding is the issue why not accept Germany into the 6N?

If you want the best countries in Europe to play against each other then goodbye Italy, hello Georgia. Is the 6N a closed off boys club or competition?

2 Weeks, 5 Hours ago

Georgia: Are rugby's Tier 1.5 nation ready for another step up?

Georgia is really doing something and without much help monetarily.

As long as there are three Laris to the Euro I think that Italy will remain in the 6N. Georgia is better than Italy but it it's money that matters.

2 Weeks, 17 Hours ago

The Evolution of Rugby Jerseys over the years

Sometime around when rugby jerseys went from natural fibers to synthetic is when rugby lost it's soul. Even worse are all these ads on jerseys make rugby look like NASCAR.

One of the all time worst feelings in rugby: putting on a soggy sopping wet cotton jersey that someone played in before you for a lower grade game!

2 Weeks, 2 Days ago

Quicker Scrums and No More Diving: The New Law Changes We All Wanted To See

I'm not talking about the 19th century, I'm talking 15 years ago. How long have you been around rugby?

Someone getting sent off was extremely rare. You would go seasons without seeing anyone leave the field. It was also only for very aggressive issues like punching after repeated warnings or insulting a ref's mother.

The difference between being sent off and red card today is this 0 tolerance thing now in which certain types of tackles, contact with feet and players on the ground in which a ref has no choice but to kick a player out. It's turned referees into police and really changed the tone of our game for the worse.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Quicker Scrums and No More Diving: The New Law Changes We All Wanted To See

Substitutions changes the requirements of the sport. Players don't have to run for 80 minutes anymore. As a result players are heavier, more explosive and the sport moves in an unsustainable and less safe way. Once we allowed subs it tipped the sport more about power than endurance. It is right to have players be dragging after 65 minutes.

Depends on the punch and circumstance. If a player does something really bad they got sent off. Otherwise it's just a penalty. If it got to be a pattern it would eventually get sorted out byt the opposition, own side, or ref.

This is how rugby worked for about 180 years and it was great.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Quicker Scrums and No More Diving: The New Law Changes We All Wanted To See

No more substitutions, except for injuries.

No more yellow and red cards.

Actually if we could just reprint the law book from 1995 we'd be doing great.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago