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The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

I sort of disagree with the "hand closed-ness or otherwise is utterly irrelevant", if you are putting a lot of force into a swinging arm, it feels more natural to close your fist as you're tensing up to impact.... leaving your hand open is somewhat unnatural.

That being said, what we could possibly be seeing here is a somewhat perfected technique of hitting a maul hard, SOB probably knows entering a maul like that will probably hurt someones body parts - whether it be arm, leg, torso etc, the open hand gives him the options to grab at something after the hit - I can't quite tell if that is SOB's hand that wraps round Naholos chin - perhaps at that point he realised he'd hit a head and also seeing Naholo going down probably thought it's not a competitive situation, so stepping back was the right thing to do...

Regarding the Pape strike... slightly different kettle of fish...it was 100% intentional from SOB, no way of denying it...open hand or not, look at Rory Kockett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCHeIQmqcwU flat hand...

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3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

He took two steps before the ball was passed, or just as it was passed, when Sinckler jumps and takes the ball, Faumuinas feet are planted.

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

Has this chalked up as a chop tackle, but using your description and watching again, you're 100% right!

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

Did not realise chop tackles were illegal :O

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

Captain calls for referee to review opponent's foul play, gets teammate sent off

In some ways, it looks to me that the orange player was sort of losing his balance, which is why he threw the arm out (with the elbow making contact)... I'd have sent him off regardless for acting like such a pansy... I'm not saying players these days have to be quite as unhinged as the flankers of past, but if you're going to wear a 6 or 7 shirt at least grow a set and quit your acting job! Not saying you have to start swinging - sure make it known, but throwing your hands up in the air, falling down and moaning about what frankly didn't look like that hard a punch is pathetic.

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Ok, apologies, but as Pete has said he's not suggesting it be employed as a tactic, but more highlighted as a flaw. Forget gain lines etc, there has to be something wrong where the referee has to intervene in this manner. If this were entirely up to me, I'd say the hit on Sinckler was fine, I'd have no issues with it. We have already climbed onto the wagon of "players must expect opponents to jump for a kicked ball, so they should be prepared even if it is a last second jump" - an ideal that I despise.. so that means, any kicked ball, players should expect others to jump - even in my hatred for that thought, I can see how one can draw lines to connect it all up, but surely you cannot suggest that now we need to say "any kicked balls, and any wayward passes will result in players jumping, so you should all expect them to jump at every kick and every pass"...it's illogical.

We have the following number of options:

Ban all jumping for kicks and passes.
Ban jumping for passes only.
Or ignore it all...

Sinckler could have put his hands above his head to try and catch the ball, or he could have left it... the laws protecting him from being touched due to the sloppiness of his own team are wrong imo.

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

ok, but over analysis and knowing everything is pretty acceptable... but I really truly hope you weren't being serious by suggesting that it could have been a yellow because he nearly landed on his head/neck... I mean that is a stretch surely...

Have chop tackles actually been taken out of the game though :/

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Vlad and im1, stop being a dick... Pete is making a perfectly valid point about the flaws in the law... we have seen the reality of the flaws many times over on this site, last second jumps for high balls is nothing new whether they come from a pass or a kick is about the only difference. The main issue is that there are laws to stop players deliberately jumping into a tackle or over a tackler - but there have been occasions where they aren't applied, however there are no laws to allow players a bit of breathing room, for instance as Pete has suggested if I run in to receive a pass and the last second it's a high pass and I jump, then I am untouchable... and anyone that tackles me, could risk a red depending on how I land...

It's not a hard concept to understand, perhaps it doesn't apply so much to Sinkler, given the tackler was already well committed and perhaps that is his downfall, but in situations similar, we're basically suggesting players reactions to a jump have to be faster or as fast than a players reaction to jump and catch the ball in the first instance...and that is impossible at close proximity...

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

I'm not suggesting otherwise, but what I'm doing is disputing your take on "forcefully cuddling someone to the floor" in union...

Shoulder is generally the first point of contact, arms as before are an afterthought..you can put a hell of a lot of impact into a hit without having to point your shoulder into someone...I've never had to leave the pitch because of one - that I can remember..but I've felt pretty ropey on occasions... but I have hit one or two that have had to leave.... but what I'm suggesting is that maybe it's more challenging for smaller players to hit hard in union...

...but that point I'll even somewhat dispute due to the little shite 9 who stuck his shoulder into my thigh in a ruck and gave me a dead leg for a week!

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

"interesting that in the game, nothing was made of sincklers landing"

....no it's not...it's decidedly uninteresting....

Dear Lord what is going in this world... I mean I made a comment about how it's good to analyse the game as rugby fans all over will tend to do, but talk about over analysing... "very close to landing on his neck and head"....really....I mean REALLY.... yeh sure, his back is connected to his neck, neck connected to head and all that...so they're in the same region as each other, but for crying out loud that is about as soft as it comes if you start calling that a yellow.

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago