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Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

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Dammit...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

Also is it no filibustering as opposed to filbustering? Or am I making a case for being a pedantic filbusterer...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

Point is dear fellow that whilst you and I can both agree that the Tuilagi carding was an atrocious officiating decision, it:
A) still happened
B) was backed up, as shown by the ban he received..

So we may both think it was an outrage, but it shows that in our differences, we're still vastly out of touch with the 'world rugby' bunch who control rugby...

It also goes to show that knees = ban, whether you jump for a ball or run at someone.. Which shows that a duty of care is not only for the man running for the ball, but also the player jumping for it..... That is if any consistency is to be had...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

Not at all, I dislike ifs and buts because there is no way to know the true outcomes and where do the ifs and buts end? If Goodes mama ran onto the pitch and started hitting Payne, would Paynes mum do the same, then who'd get carded? Especially IF Goode had landed on a stray stud with his temple and had died...

^^^ why I dislike ifs and buts. Point still stands however!

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

I agree with your observation there. Is it just an observation or are you making a point also? Or do you believe there is a point to be made?

Tuilagi got banned for 5 weeks for kneeing an opponent... Is jumping in the air and hitting an opponent with knees a cardable offence?

I mentioned all this above ^^^

I looked for the video, but can't remember enough details, but a Scottish player ran for the ball, got a hip (or knee) to the head, he went down cold and was stretchered off and yellow carded at the same time I believe. Should the jumper have been red carded as well for the knee(?)

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

I think "duty of care" is a fair comment though Stroudos.. I am not in the same boat as you regarding the incident, however I understand what you're saying and I think without allowing that terminology to be our sole focus, players have a duty of care to each other, as well as a care to themselves..

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

...apportioning blame.

Either Paynes incident was a freakish accident of which we are now at the understanding that players can be punished for freak accidents..

Or we apportion blame which really means we have to start delving into the nitty gritty's and starting punishing 'Player As'...

Sorry for the long comment, but another way of looking at it is that 'Player B' has undertaken a calculated risk by diving at the feet of a kicking player.. he knows he could get a ball in the face, he knows he could get a boot in the face... so he has made it his duty to take that risk.. As has Goode by jumping into the air.

Blame everyone or blame no one..

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

We're going to delve deep into the if's and but's here which I'd rather not do, but to make my point:

Had Goode not turned his back and jumped in a forward fashion, he could have caught Jared in the face with a knee etc... now who has the duty of care? We saw it a while ago a Scot got ko'd doing the same thing, I think he was yellowed as he left on a stretcher... but surely running around jumping with knees at head level is extremely dangerous.. Tuilagi got carded for kneeing a player recently...

The point of my comments is more to play devils advocate, we all want to be highly critical and scrutinise everything, therefore we require tighter and tighter laws... if those laws get tighter then more and more loop holes or eventualities must be explored.

You say Jared ran round like a speed boat with no driver and that was dangerous..."You can't hold a player responsible for his own safety when he's playing within the laws"... surely there is a small conflict just there?

You're allowed to run, you're allowed to catch, you're allowed to run and catch... but if a player jumps into your running space, that is now your fault...

Player A sees player B running, player B trips and as he falls player A decides to kicking him in the melon....Kicking someone in the head is against the laws of the game, is it not?

Ok, now? Player A has the ball and is getting ready for a drop goal, Player B dives at the feet of Player A to charge the ball down, Player A kicks Player B in the melon as part of his follow through... It's an accident... or is it? Player A who was playing within the confines of the law must surely have known that by taking the chance for a drop goal, someone might have tried to charge it down.. therefore surely he has a duty of care to that person who may get a kick?

People are drawing an awful lot of black and white conclusions to a lot of decisions that are apparently very simple, but the reality is they are far more complex if you want to start...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

To the above few, Stroudos et al, you guys mention "duty of care"... Are we not at a cliff edge of 'elf n safety'? I mean, you lift a man hole cover to work and a person not paying attention falls, it's your fault.. Forgetting that the same victim if walking through a field would look where they put their feet...

Does Goode not owe himself a duty of care to not recklessly throw himself into the air?

I mean Payne was going full tilt putting himself in potential harm (let's say Goode was a Pacific islander 2 metres back lining Payne up to be SMASHED), Payne selflessly disregarded himself to take the ball on the tilt, but he gets punished because Goode had zero regard for his own safety...

I think the whole topic is getting us somewhere close to "no jumping for the ball"... Or some BS like that.

You can't expect someone to have duty of care to a guy that has no regard for his own safety.

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Comparing the Jared Payne and Michael Rhodes cards for similar incidents

Yeh, but both incidents were saracens indiscretions, and both times they were inadequately punished!

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago