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Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

See this is where I agree with you Pete. I find the tales of conspiracy amusing, however you see deeper thoughts rearing their heads in other forms.

You see it in many walks of life where your immediate thoughts are good natured, however there is a deeper rooted thought which is unknown to yourself. What I'm suggesting is you see the French players being punished to great lengths for foul play, perhaps this is a deeper rooted stem of seeing some particularly dark stuff coming out of French D2 back in the day, so players are banned more harshly. Pacific islanders are another bunch who have had their troubles with discipline, therefore their punishments seem to be greater than others in like for like situations.

So what I'd suggest is that the AB's have got off lightly on a few occasions (as have some other 'top' teams), this unfortunate incident will just go down as another one to harp on about.

The other side of things is the AB's are outstanding, and I hate to bring up the past, but they did not deserve their RWC victory back in 2011. They DID however deserve it in 2015!! But that final was abysmally refereed and France were dealt a very harsh deal. So again, people refer to things like that as their datums, so as mentioned, next victory, failure or whatever, will be reflected on the past 'escapes'...

It's the same with all teams and players... reputations stick unfortunately...

3 Weeks, 22 Hours ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Veji, it's already passed, there has been no ban and this will go down in history as another awful call - like many from many different nations..

I've said somewhere that even a 1 week ban, or a warning would have shown recognition of a bad incident however unintentional. But 0 recognition and extremely defensive comments from pundits and coaches is damaging to the game and sets precedents on how laws should and will be applied.

3 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Pete, perhaps you've read something I haven't, so if you can inform me of something I missed I'd be happy to look at this incident with a fresher view, but you mention:

"Just don't think it's right to use that incident against the current group of men when no one is even left from that era. You can't tarnish every AB team moving for 'that tackle'."

From where I am standing - or sitting, it was Kirwan who brought that up, was it not? Seems to me that BOD just merely commented that it was a farce that there has been no punishment...

If Kiwis wish to ask "when have AB's ever got away with outrageous stuff?" then of course, people will highlight THAT incident, then the Hore ridiculous punch, then of course this incident, but you asked the question, don't get upset with the answer. But the reality is, 99% of the people stayed on topic regarding THIS incident alone, it was Kirwan that stirred up a shit storm by very cleverly swinging the argument to be about a different topic altogether.. "THAT BOD TACKLE"..... lets face it, the world accepts that Umaga et al cannot and will not be punished for it, it's a travesty that they weren't, but no one expects retribution on AB 2016 for it... however, consistency in Rugby 2016 -> onwards would be nice.... this should have been banned and I think BOD was highlighting a big incident in a world class rugby game.... I personally don't see why his integrity should be questioned for his highlighting...

3 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Compilation of the unpunished Teboho Mohoje high tackles against Argentina

Can we get clarification, is all this being ruled by SANZAR and therefore cannot be touched by World Rugby - formerly the IRB?

It really seems there is a big gap in the laws, which is surprising given that the referees are the same in both....

It's not that I'm bothered one way or another... it's just I'd rather get some clarification as to whether I can remove someones head in a game and not get a ban before I go ahead and do it...

3 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Unfortunately the internet gives everyone a vote. Regarding an England win = a world cup win, that is quite typical in the UK media - which as most rugby players will know is full of ****.

I totally agree with you where you say did he move his thumb when he realised, I'd go further to say that it was probably entirely accidental... I would turn it on it's head somewhat and say, I do however think Franks was making an effort to grab a face, however I doubt his intentions were to poke an eye....

Regarding the sanction that SHOULD be put in place, it's been made clear that contact with an eye is no longer a serious offence. You have to look at this methodically, lets say Franks was 100% innocent of intent, it is still a hard undeniable fact that his thumb hit the Aussie in the eye.... that is something that has in the past been the clinching point for bans - hand in the eye area... it doesn't get more eye area than a thumb in the eye.

The arrogance is not for the wins, you've had sensational wins, but problem occurs in the fact people don't want to be told to focus on the good points when a player has massively avoided a sanction due to foul play... so when pundits spit BS about how it's not a big deal and that people should focus on the good parts, the world goes nuts.

You, nor I, nor the pundits should be the one to tell us whether it's a big deal or not, that is the job for the law books. In this latest incident and the handling, we're being shown one of two options:
1) Law books are wrong and therefore outdated and need updating.
2) Someone, for some reason, is unable to see the facts before them.

So is SANZAR outdated? Did someone get a penny in their pocket? Are the laws wrong?

Most RD fans in this recent section don't seem to have an issue with kiwis, they have an issue with the handling of this incident - if you as a kiwi agree with the handling, then it's guilty by association...

3 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

I'm totally with you Artifiction, BOD doesn't have a leg to stand on in the world rugby stage, also what exactly is he whinging about, it's a poke in the eye by a big unit of a player who clearly didn't mean to..

I mean in world rugby there is a massive amount of common sense to be taken, if a player says he didn't mean to do something, why shouldn't we believe him, he's a world class player for the best team in the world, yet that doesn't seem to count for anything in anyones eyes... Owen Franks got to where he was by being the best in the best team in the world. He didn't get to where he was being a vegan cous cous eater did he!!!

Bunch of pansies, we play hard in the SH, we don't play cous cous eating like you northern fools.

3 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Hardly.... regardless of whether BOD feels aggrieved about "that tackle", his point is still 100% valid, it's a farcical decision, so to bring up some BS about him being upset about the past and that's what he is basing his judgement on is not only as pathetic as being upset if people feel the BOD situation was handled badly, but it's also disrespectful to a great rugby player. I'd expect it to come from a fan floating around on youtube, but from some top rugby names in NZ is unbelievably pathetic, one eyed and embarrassing,...

3 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Well, it obviously seems like we're flogging a dead horse with this incident....

Now I'm more interested in the next incident where a kiwi is a victim and some amusing commentary comes out using the words "get over it"...

3 Weeks, 2 Days ago

Compilation of the unpunished Teboho Mohoje high tackles against Argentina

Check 1:54 on the replay, that's a swinging arm to the head/jaw... I've seen reds for that...

3 Weeks, 2 Days ago

Compilation of the unpunished Teboho Mohoje high tackles against Argentina

Tbh, I'd love to see a competition where Nigel Owens just referees every single match..

3 Weeks, 3 Days ago