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Leicester Tigers beat European champions Toulon at Welford Road

Agree... Cockerill appears to me as the kind of guy who stamps his feet and spits out his dummy when he doesn't get his own way...

I despise soccer, but I've seen what appears to be clear incidents of foul play yet the penalised or free kicked (I don't know what the **** this game calls it!) teams coach is there shouting and hollering like a spoilt child, throwing his hands in the air and gesticulating like a complete ****, when everyone who is anyone can see that it was his player being a complete knob....

THAT, is what I feel Cockerill is doing to rugby...

1 Week, 2 Days ago

Sam Burgess throws his body around in the Montpellier mud

I understand where you're coming from, but whilst I may not be a 'seasoned explosive athlete' like Burgess, none of my opponents are 'seasoned explosive athletes' either... unlike Burgess opposition.

I do agree with you, he's had a career in league and this was his second(?) union game(?)... so he's not going to be straight on the money straight away. The issue is, that:

a) There is a huge amount of hype following a guy that you and I have both admitted isn't quite there yet. So imo, shouldn't the media, us, etc give the guy some quiet time to get on with his own stuff without feeling like he needs to impress us straight away...
b) These are two crappy tackles (everyone makes crappy tackles) yet they still make a highlight reel, which leads back into point a).
c) He came very close (imo) to getting carded, which again; taking into account point a), could have seriously damaged his career prospects, BECAUSE, of point a)...

I back Sam Burgess as much as I back any player that steps on the field trying to progress in the world. I don't wish anyone failure in their dream, I'd like to see him become a renowned name, however as Canadian content said with his 'brain not brawn' comment, if Burgess relies on his physicality and size he might find himself in a pickle in the future, especially if his tackles are clumsy and relatively high... How many times have the dear Tuilagi's; or Samoans/Tongans etc in general, got pinged for what turns out to be a fairly legal looking tackle, because they go flying in like madmen with poor technique...

I believe we're on the same page, I think you're looking at the situation as someone who believes Burgess is Englands next move. I think I'm looking at it as someone who rather wait until he develops into Englands next move, than award him that title prematurely...

1 Week, 2 Days ago

Sam Burgess throws his body around in the Montpellier mud

Are many people giving him abuse though?

I hope you don't perceive the comments on here as abusive. WelshOsprey is not exactly known for his tactfulness with comments, however he has a very good case.. If it was Wilkinson, Lomu, Richie, (insert favourite player here) who performed these tackles, most people would admit they're pretty crap... Yeh sure, player went down, but every giant slab of meat can throw himself and someone and flatten them... As below, the problem occurs when the referee takes a dim view towards the tackle. In my opinion, the tackle on Ranger; in this day and age, was questionable, I'd have not been surprised if a referee had yellow carded him for it.

Perhaps I am unnecessarily repeating myself, but again I have well wishes for Burgess and I hope he achieves and makes a huge difference to England, but for me I think the hype is stupid and potentially damaging. Lets say for instance that the first tackle on Ranger had resulted in a zealous red card for what appeared to me as a bit of a swinging arm? What would the media and public say then? Especially as you and I would look between it and cut the bloke some slack, but you know the media and scrutiny wouldn't give him an inch...

1 Week, 2 Days ago

Sam Burgess throws his body around in the Montpellier mud

Sam Warburton was on here mentioning running your hand across the grass as you enter a ruck - that way you know you're low enough. - he's 6'2.. I can't imagine that extra 3 inches means that Burgess is unable to get low enough.

I'm 6'5-6'6.. using the 'I'm tall' excuse is just trying to excuse ones laziness... It's easier for me to go high on a small bloke, plus I can tackle them and the ball, however I'm not incapable of going low and neither is Burgess.. Perhaps its the league influence and he's yet to develop his technique. Of course it is effective at the moment, but he could very easily get pinged for being that high, especially the arm around the head of Ranger... which is not effective and extremely detrimental...

1 Week, 2 Days ago

Leicester Tigers beat European champions Toulon at Welford Road

Pretty sure Castro go some digs from Cockers for leaving for the money, he clearly stated he paid £100,000 of his own cash to get out of Leicester...

I don't blame the bloke, he's a damn good player and if I was as good as him and left sitting on the bench (or out of the match day team) with a limited career left, I'd be looking at making a move...

I love my club, but lets face it, if at an amateur level I trained tuesdays, thurdsdays, and in my own time gymmed up with a rugby goal, gave up my saturdays to warm the bench only to be given a 5-10 minute run about, I think pretty soon I'd be saying 'bye bye' and finding a club that would actually play me...

Castro is 33 years old, he's lucky to last this long in the professional era in his playing position. But bear in mind he's half way through a 'standard career'.. if the bloke did leave for money then that's fine by me, he did what he needed to do for family - much like the much loved Nick Cummins.. however if he left to actually play some damn rugby, then again I'm all for supporting him. Can't say I'm a fan of Cockerill anyway..

1 Week, 3 Days ago

Leicester Tigers beat European champions Toulon at Welford Road

Hahaha, I love the title 'Castro climbs into Cockerill'

1 Week, 3 Days ago

Leicester Tigers beat European champions Toulon at Welford Road

"Owen Williams kicked Leicester to victory as the only try of the game was scored by Thorn"

Que?

1 Week, 3 Days ago

Sam Burgess throws his body around in the Montpellier mud

I'm not talking so much about shoulder charges/hits/collisions as much as the arm to the chops... commonly known as a 'swinging arm'... the commentators said it didn't look like he swung the arm in (just as the video appeared to show otherwise...)

1 Week, 3 Days ago

Sam Burgess throws his body around in the Montpellier mud

Sorry to add another comment, I completely forgot to comment on that first tackle... no one seems to be making any comment on the fact that Burgess forearm ends up round Rangers jaw, and his bicep round Rangers head... seemed to me like is 'swung' if you ask me...

1 Week, 3 Days ago

Sam Burgess throws his body around in the Montpellier mud

I hope my previous comments on Burgess have not started band wagon, on which people are readily hopping... I certainly was concerned at the amount of hype surrounding Burgess and unfortunately my concerns are continuing.

People have highlighted and labelled these as 'two crappy tackles'.. they're not great I'll admit that... in fact they're pretty awful.. but the thing I find incredible is that it's made a highlight reel.. RD, I had a moan recently about content, but I appreciate that Sam Burgess, is very much 'current affairs' - what concerns me however is that these tackles, if made by any other player, would not get it's own section on RD - in fact there are a fair few 'awful tackles' every weekend, none of which end up on RD (unless they're spectacularly bad)... - so again, this isn't a dig at RD, you're keeping up with the current trends, however I'm amazed that this hype surrounding Burgess can continue to gather snow in the form of these tackles...

Obviously I don't like the idea of starting up a '#hateonsam' kind of thing because he's a spectacular athlete, I'm just again voicing my concern that it appears that people are already celebrating Englands world cup campaign because this one man is going to be the key...

Put it this way: My local team + Sam Burgess is still not going to beat any international team that comes in front of us purely based on the fact we have Sam Burgess... unless he gets decent ball from the 10, support from the other players, then there is only so much 1 man can do...

1 Week, 3 Days ago

 
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