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Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

I wasn't arguing that punching is acceptable at all, but context is considered to be important in a court of law. I'm genuinely not arguing that punching on a rugby field is acceptable, although perhaps at times understandable. I'm explaining it, but not excusing it. I really wasn't condoning it.

We live in a society where we don't want to see that sort of aggression in public, but to a certain extent allow rugby fields to be outlets for it. Therefore we celebrate behaviour on a rugby pitch which we wouldn't think of celebrating in the high street, for example tackling someone so hard that they struggle to get up.

I was trying to make the point that it was this lack of context in Tuilagi's case which made it so much worse. That is not to say that punching on the field is bad, but I can completely understand it when it breaks out, but is also why I have huge amounts of respect for the individuals who can quickly shake hands and forget about it.

I like the way they shake hands at the end of this - you wouldn't see that in the high street:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkaiwfLzAJU

I also think the Tom Young's incident a year or so ago, when he got clocked in the head, was another good case in point.


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Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Context, intention and outcome are all important, and frustratingly subjective in their application in each situation. You know that I'm one of the people who thinks that throwing punches on the pitch isn't ok, but I can at least understand that adrenalin plays a massive part.

The players most likely to throw punches tend to be the forwards, but surely only because they have to prepare themselves for the most intense physical combat every game. It must be phenomenally hard to control that adrenalin. In this situation I think what makes it so bad is that there wasn't the same need for aggression. We intuitively know that this makes it worse.

Another factor is outcome, which understandably annoys a lot of people when applied in a way which seems wrong, and yet outcome matters. We know that a drunk driver who kills people should be punished more than one who only drives into a ditch.

Likewise with intent, which is clearly important. The desire to injure another is deemed to be wrong, and yet if we saw a punch which failed to connect we'd more likely laugh than not.

It is therefore really easy to cast accusations of hypocrisy, which only makes me feel more and more sorry for the referees and officials who have custody of the game. The game is increasingly being pulled in a range of different directions as it grows in reach and appeal. More parents than ever watching their children play, more people than ever watching on tv, more people playing than ever, more money in the game than ever, more medical knowledge about the risks involved than ever... it's a nightmare.

I think your point is that punching on the field is unacceptable, which I agree with, but it isn't easy to read dry humour or sarcasm on t'interweb.

Sorry I made it into something a lot deeper.

1 Week, 16 Hours ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

I'm trying to work out what crime I can get Barritt falsly accused of.

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Stroudos is trying to troll a troll in order to get more irritating troll comments, so we can work ourselves up into a rage about it. Stroudos is being a postmodern troll. Welcome to RugbyDump!

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Ooo, Chablis! Is there going to be pâté?!

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Jack Nowell looks like what gets printed out when the Police's Photofit computer catches a virus. He looks like a very badly photoshopped collage of four different people, none of whom have made decent hair choices.

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

Yep, he would, but rugby is just rugby. There are certain things that shouldn't be tolerated and, as such, action should be taken when they occur. Lancaster had no choice, not only due to his past treatment of Care, but also because he's a decent bloke.

Lancaster may not be the most exciting tactician in the game, but he's a decent bloke who has never lost the schoolmaster ethos of coaching the whole person. It's not enough to want the best from players on the pitch, you also have to want the best from them as people. It doesn't mean you should shut the door to them eternally. Schools and sports teams should always be places where redemption is possible, but redemption starts with punishment imposed and reformation chosen.

And I think both Stroudos and DrG are arguing the same thing, but DrG's syntax was a little off in his first post, cue hilarious misunderstandings.

This is why grammar is important.

Dan
A Teacher

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Manu Tuilagi admits to assaulting police officers, won't be part of Rugby World Cup

No, he's not done enough for club yet. Too soon.

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